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Poster: billtmcdee Date: Jan 17, 2010 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Best shows ever poll?

Does anyone know of a poll for the top voted shows of all time? Not a poll with limited choices, but a poll where people submit their own choice? I would be really interested in seeing the results (asides from Cornell 77).

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jan 18, 2010 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

The results would, of course depend on who's voting. Here are some leads to pursue, though.


In 2008 I ranked the shows at LMA by number of downloads, which is like voting, sort of. It doesn't include commercial releases, of course. Here are the top 20:

578,854 2/15/1973 at Dane County Coliseum
505,187 6/10/1973 at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium
341,645 5/7/1977 at Boston Garden
233,481 5/15/1970 at Fillmore East
207,135 2/26/1977 at Swing Auditorium
163,251 5/8/1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University
154,329 4/3/1987 at The Centrum
144,022 5/8/1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University
142,905 9/4/1979 at Madison Square Garden
142,881 12/14/1971 at Hill Auditorium
112,486 5/8/1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University
110,357 8/6/1971 at Hollywood Palladium
101,096 7/9/1995 at Soldier Field
98,046 5/9/1977 at Buffalo Memorial Auditorium
97,079 6/9/1977 at Winterland Arena
96,894 2/24/1974 at Winterland Arena
92,431 5/25/1977 at The Mosque
82,943 2/9/1973 at Roscoe Maples Pavilion, Stanford U.
82,034 11/3/1965 at Golden State Studios
79,463 10/2/1977 at Paramount Theater


In the late 1990s when Deadbase.com (http://Deadbase.com) was new, they held two online surveys. Here are the top results, collated (the last item is number of votes):

05-08-77 Cornell 47
08-27-72 Veneta 32
02-13-70 Fillmore East 26
07-08-78 Red Rocks 20
05-02-70 Binghamton 19
04-29-71 Fillmore East 19
06-28-74 Boston Garden 17
10-19-74 Winterland 13
03-01-69 Fillmore West 12
02-09-73 Stanford 12
06-18-74 Freedom Hall 12
05-26-72 Strand Lyceum 11
05-26-73 Kezar Stadium 11
05-09-77 Buffalo 11
02-18-71 Port Chester 10
04-28-71 Fillmore East 10
02-26-77 Swing Auditorium 10
05-07-77 Boston Garden 10
09-03-77 Englishtown 10
02-11-70 Fillmore East 9


You will probably also enjoy poking around here, which has similar polls not only on shows but also on individual song performances:
http://gratefuldeadprojects.com/

Search on this forum for a while and you should be able to find earlier discussions of this. I seem to recall collating people's answers and posting them at those times (but apparently I didn't save them anywhere)


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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 18, 2010 6:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

I would be careful with using downloads here as a measure. What are called downloads are actually simply hits on the website and I think 3 or 4 of the top 5 on that list were featured in that "Spotlight Item" box in the upper lefthand corner of the GD homepage. Also the Barton vote seems to be split between 3 sources.

Personally I think this is kind of a silly exercise. You can't get a consensus opinion on the best show or for that matter best 10 shows from a single year and now we are supposed to figure out the best from a 30 year run? There are too many peaks in the mountain range that is the work of this band to try to figure out which one is the highest.

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Poster: BVD Date: Jan 18, 2010 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

A few that should be on any list...10/12/68, 12/5/71, 9/27/72 and 8/1/73.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 18, 2010 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

You're right about the Felt Forum 12/5/71 show. Shows move in and out of my ever-crowded iPod, but that one (SBD) never leaves.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 18, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Same with the 12/7/71 show.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jan 18, 2010 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

I agree that it's fruitless to try to discover the best, or even a consensus of what a group feels is the best. But for people overwhelmed by finding 6,000 free recordings here, it provides a doorway, an entry point.

I remember very clearly feeling paralyzed by the abundance of choices and not knowing enough how to proceed. And that was five years ago, when there were only 1800 recordings here! :-)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 18, 2010 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Oh I agree that I used those lists when I first found this place almost 5 years ago. However I never believed that "most downloaded" meant best. Back then it might have been more accurate since download actually meant download and not simply view. Therefore most downloaded doesn't even mean most listened to. Regardless, I think I learned more about finding things by lurking at the forum than I did from those lists.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 17, 2010 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

hey bill t. mcdee....are you saying that you think cornell is the top show????

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Poster: billtmcdee Date: Jan 18, 2010 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

No, not at all. Fine show to be sure, but i was actually interested in the people who dont think its tops.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 17, 2010 7:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

How could ANY show be considered the tops without Pigpen?

April-May 1972 had much better shows than Barton Hall '77. That's a cherry picked, jump on the bandwagon show. That might not even be the best show for the month of May 1977.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Jan 17, 2010 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

in my book you are not wrong. april-may 72 is the shiznit.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Jan 18, 2010 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

By April and May of 1972 pigpen wasn't performing half as good as he used to. The GD sounded awesome during those months but I don't think it had much to do with pigpen

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 18, 2010 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Give some love to this gem, played barely 1 year into the band's career:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd66-05-19.sbd.lestatkat.6516.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: gphishmon Date: Jan 18, 2010 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

I don't know if anyone could pick a ten best, but some of the choices make me laugh. 4/29/71? Anything from 78 (except 1/22)?

The ones that stand out for me are:

10/13/68
2/28/69
3/1/69
2/13/70
5/2/70
4/8/72
8/27/72
9/21/72
6/10/73
6/22/73
10/30/73
11/11/73
12/2/73
12/6/73
5/21/74
6/18/74
5/8/77
1/22/78
12/31/78 (really 1/1/79)
12/31/81
10/9/89
10/26/89
3/29/90
7/12/90
9/20/90
12/31/90

but I could hardly say there aren't others I'd like even better if I took the time to listen to them. There just isn't enough time ...

This post was modified by gphishmon on 2010-01-18 15:37:52

This post was modified by gphishmon on 2010-01-18 16:08:04

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 18, 2010 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Whenever the "early era-ists" come out of the woodwork to tip the scales against anything post-1972 I always feel compelled to fight back. (and btw, I love 1972 as much as the next head--with 8/27/72 my 2nd favorite show of all time.)

Still, as a completely biased "1977 was the greatest year ever" Deadhead, here's a top-of-the-head list of must-have shows, most of which are very much post-'72.

1) 10/29/77. Best...show...ever. My review stating the case is here for those who care to hear me make the case...again!:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-10-29.sbd.miller.92085.sbeok.flac16

2) 8/27/72, Oregon. Is any show more pristine? What don't they play to perfection here? All-time greatest PITB among the many highlights.

3) 9/27/76, Rochester, NY. '76 to me is a warm-up for the glory of the following year. Many of the shows feature fantastic set-lists but are weighted down by slow versions of songs the band seems not quite confident enough to really let loose on. Not so here. Brilliant show, adventurous set list, hardly any mistakes. Highlight: HELP>SLIP>DRUMS>OTHER ONE>WHARF RAT>SLIPKNOT>FRANKLIN'S TOWER>ROUND&ROUND in the 2nd set.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-09-27.sbd.miller.87664.sbeok.flac16

4) 5/13/77, Chicago: The most overlooked and underrated of '77. Review also contained in this link:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-05-13.sbd.miller.9393.sbeok.shnf

5) 5/9/77, Buffalo: Top 3 H>S>F...best COMES A TIME ever. Everything else just excellent.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-05-09.sbd.connor.8304.sbeok.shnf

6) 5/8/77, Cornell. No, it's not overrated. You may have seen The Godfather 1,000 times but you always find yourself watching it AGAIN when you come across it randomly on TV. You feel the same about this show's MORNING DEW. Just admit it.

7) 12/29/77, Winterland. (Dicks Picks #10). Only CHINA>RIDER of the year and they nail it. Crowd goes wild. Best, most rocked-out NFA ever. Whole 2nd set is ablaze. First set's just exactly perfect.

8) 4/16/78, West Virginia: April '78 may be the band's best run of shows next to May of '77. So overlooked and it's a shame. Unbelievably pristine Betty Board here for this show (w/my review as to why it's so great):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.sbd.cantor.motb.81457.sbeok.flac16

9) 5/1/81, Hampton, VA: Substance over style. If you like well-played shows over shows that have sexy set lists but disappoint in execution, this is your show. Jerry lights the world aflame on LET IT GROW, DEAL, ALTHEA, FRANKLIN'S, HE'S GONE, and more. Outstanding quality AUD:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-05-01.wise.clugston.2218.sbeok.shnf

10) 3/29/90, Nassau. Branford. EYES. BIRDSONG. 'nuff said.

11) (This is a Spinal Tap Top 10 list, i.e. "These go to 11."): 7/18/89, Alpine Valley, WI: One of the truly great latter-day "comeback" shows that proved 1985-1988's extreme hit-or-miss era (i'm being kind) was just a set-up for a return to glory. The SUGAR MAG>SCARLET is breathtaking and has to be on a short list of "best segues ever." Whole show is a joy to listen to.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-07-18.sbd.9854.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jan 18, 2010 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

I too think the '78 spring college run was magical. The Huntington Show is Hot, but I'm not so sure that Williamsburg or even Blacksburg is even better! And as far as the US Blues encore, check out Durham's US Blues a few days ealier..... absolutely rips

(for some reason all my posts appear in duplicate, I hope this one doesn't do the same thing)

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jan 18, 2010 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

I too think the '78 spring college run was magical. The Huntington Show is Hot, but I'm not so sure that Williamsburg or even Blacksburg is even better! And as far as the US Blues encore, check out Durham's US Blues a few days ealier..... absolutely rips

(for some reason all my posts appear in duplicate, I hope this one doesn't do the same thing)

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Jan 18, 2010 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Here is a link to a site with some "best of" lists.

http://www.gratefuldeadprojects.com/Top_100.html

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Poster: gphishmon Date: Jan 18, 2010 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

I have to agree about 85-88 - sadly, since those (along with 84) were my college years, when I caught most of my shows. The three night run at the Spectrum in 86 was probably the worst to that date, despite the strong Morning Dew the 2nd night. The three Tinley Park 1990 shows, which were my only ones from 1989-1991, while not among the best shows of that tour, were still better than almost anything I heard from 1985-88 (9/18/87 is one of the most overrated shows of all time).

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 18, 2010 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

My experience as well...I saw the majority of my shows from '84-'88 and had a great time at all of them....but I WISH I could have been touring from '72-'78 instead (my first show was 1/11/79--at least i got to see one with Keith and Donna!)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 18, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Ha! That was a good one, GC ("woodwork"!)...

Well, as has been said above, very difficult to narrow it down. I will add the following list of shows, but rather than going with just my favs, I will attempt to insert what CLIFF termed the "classic" factor...IE, does the show seem historically significant to fans, and is overall, an important show.

Knowing how hard it is to do for me, when sticking to the early era ALONE, I would go a bit further and say I'll nominate a "run" of nights...taking this approach, I think it is easier to select a few early era shows/runs that MIGHT qualify for consideration...

10-12/13-68: lots of folks like them, historically significant due to playing without PP, as they would do for "most" of their existence.

2-27/2-69: this might be the ONE, since if we go with a "run" it stands out as the one they worked up to for most of fall 68 and spring 69, and many folks pick the Fillmore Live Dead as critical to their DEAD experience listening wise.

2-13/14-70 or 5-13/14-70: as above, the addition of the acoustic material was seminal in bringing "Live Dead meets American Beauty and Workingman's" material together. Either of these runs might fit the bill?

9-17/20-70: pers favs here, and not sure it is as historic a run as the above, but...?

12-4/7-71: this or the Feb 2-18 run might qualify, but doubt they displace Fillmore?

Assume it will irritate some that "runs" replaced "show" but something to consider...

How about you GC--fav run in 77 or 78 that might do it for you?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 18, 2010 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Nice "run" summation, WT....I do love that '68 run myself, even being a late 70's guy by nature...

For me I'd say the 9/26-28 1972 run at the Stanley Theater, NJ is one of the band's greatest...not historically so, maybe, but all 3 shows are killer.

The May 7-9th run 1977 (Boston, Cornell, Buffalo) is hard to beat, as is the 6/7-6/9 1977 Winterland run...

....and even tho' it's not a consecutive run of shows, I would nominate a huge chunk of April 1978 as one of the best collection of shows ever. Start with 4/8/78, add on 4/12, 4/16, and finish with 4/24 and you can't lose.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 17, 2010 9:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

My favorite most sacred shows are:

1970-02-13
1970-06-24
1969-03-01
1970-05-02

I'm more of an early-era guy myself. Don't know I've ever made this "favorite shows" thing official yet, but there it is. More recently, the following shows have been approaching "sacred" status:

1970-03-21
1977-06-04
1970-11-08
1976-06-09

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jan 18, 2010 12:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Nice list GennyBenni!

May I also suggest 2/28/69, 11/8/69, and 2/14/70 to your list, along with 2/14/68?? Maybe as a second listen project perhaps..?
Nice list.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 18, 2010 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best shows ever poll?

Those are all favorites of mine too, for sure. Second set of 2-14-70 is mind-blowing and 2-28-69 has one of the most beautiful dark stars (maybe more beautiful than 3-1-69).